louisg tell the nha they are clue less

Ziets, mat God help us all, when we believe that the system is good. Knowing the system is one thing, but trying to justify it is another.
1) Prolong a horse's career? That's the point. That's what we all up in arms about, the system is doing it for us. But, I do know what you mean. We must place them correctly. Sometimes we dont have other options and we do need to race horses,after all.But prolonging the average horse's career by the system knocking him, is wrong. But, some nice horses careers are messed up badly by incorrect placing, I will agree.
2)PE - all horses from major centres are dropped 5 points when they get there. So, PE is under rated and not over rated. Snaith's CT handicapper gets to PE and receives a 5 point reduction. Good positon to be in and well done to Justin for using this to his advantage.

OK, Ziets, no pm, just here in the open on the forum, please select races for me/ show me available races for Trip Tease. He won first time out over 1000m on sand and is rated 88.

The topic started by congratulating L G and has turned 360 to saying he does not know what he is doing :S

Zietsman Oosthuizen Wrote:

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> > Rob "America has no official ratings" if you
> know
> > this for a fact then how do they conduct
> > handicaps
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> > Zietsman how will a poor surface rating help a
> > horse running on a different
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> pylon is even better than his sand MR on sand
> ...he proved it in emerald ...if he won that race
> just think what his mr would be now? and if he
> won it how will he be competive in any handicapped
> on sand again????? and he is in my opinion the
> best sandhorse we ever seen in this country and
> his name belongs in the league of sea cottage and
> horse chestnut although different surface.....
> azzie will obviously now only target turf races
> where he is now about a rating in his 70's and
> proved beforw he can win a few still on turf
> although will never rwach the heights of his sand
> form.....clearly if he never got a rating on turf
> before becoming a legend on sand he would now be
> @#$%& both ways......the best horse in the country
> cannot win a race.....just imagin.....the
> sand/turf ratings give average handicappers a very
> good chance of winning 1 or 2 extra races when
> reaching his peak handicapped wise on fav surface.
> just make sure to get a "poor" fixed rating on
> least fancied surface before been handicapped on
> fancied surface
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> hope it make sense....

I'm not sure i get you but anyway Pylon (mr121) is a decent horse on Sand but not the same horse on turf(mr81) hence he has dual ratings,his sand rating does not make him well handicapped on turf.

louis to me you win the 500k in one race that is restrict to a sale you buy from so good luck to you but you get lucky out side of these race the filly is moderate. today you run 2 of 7 give the winner 10 kg and you get beet in the common canter. well done is champion may be i see thing diferent to you. i take these horse as example to answer your question is first runner for you today so is first example i use. may be i look more to see where you are the champion planner of horse career. to be honest small trainer dont get oportunity like big trainer so may be you have point. to me you are a trainer no the god. you are compare with other trainer what else i must compare with? as for imodium i dont care where you race these horse why must i worry. give it to the owner. bottom line re is you make lots of noise but nothing change and if you think trainer stand be hind you when you take nhra on well let me say it will be the first and i race in era where you no tie the shoelace of the greats so why you think you will make diference?

now for round 3

Ziets, geen probleem, maar kyk na die voorbeeld van Trip Tease en doen die oefening -'Ons moet nou teen geharde, ouer perde hardloop, n hele divisie hoeer as die gemiddelde Maiden wenner. Dit is moeilik. Maar, doen die oefening gerus. En dan dink net hoe dit gaan, as jy met so 50 perde sit.

Gaan na www.sahorseracing.co.za - die hele program is daar.

net om aan te las oom louis....my vraag verlede week was om my rating system nog meer te verbeter deur ander kenners se insig te kry as jy kyk na ons verskillende bane en hoe tye veriveer.....maak groot verskil om dan regte afstand tussen perde in race te kry en actual tye compared met ander bane......was amazing om te sien hoe baie meer akkuraat formstudy of sal ek noem time study is.

en daar is te veel malakka trainers wat nie n perd se career eerste stel nie...feit...en ook nog baie wat net n quick buck wil maak.....en nie n clue het wanneer/waar om nie n perd te enter nie

louisg Wrote:

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> Ziets, geen probleem, maar kyk na die voorbeeld
> van Trip Tease en doen die oefening -'Ons moet nou
> teen geharde, ouer perde hardloop, n hele divisie
> hoeer as die gemiddelde Maiden wenner. Dit is
> moeilik. Maar, doen die oefening gerus. En dan
> dink net hoe dit gaan, as jy met so 50 perde sit.
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> Gaan na www.sahorseracing.co.za - die hele program
> is daar.


Niemang glo dit is maklik nie - maar dis hoekom julle ouens daai blink karre ry (tu)

louis my afrikaans is no 100% so for give me if i am miss under stand what you say i think im ok.

you have the debut winner is now mr88 is the joke. now why can we no debate going back the RF system. the good old days re. a nice easy in novice, then go for another easy then put lights out in graduation for 1,2,3 time winner or old e division and you put the lights out. to me as the punter owner at the time it make much more sense.

Hang on a minute, Frodo and Rob - I think that you both on a similar track here. I like it. Now, what about applying certain parameters to the MR system?

Maybe a set rating of say, 70 for all maiden winners? A max of, say, 6 points for a win? Only half of sufferance when out at weights?

Something along those lines. Both of your opinions will be valued.

Lets say that the goal is to allow the better horses to win their fair share. (today we have too many multiple winners rated under 70 and too few horses over 70 which are multiple winners)

Len Sham Wrote:

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> The topic started by congratulating L G and has
> turned 360 to saying he does not know what he is
> doing :S


LG knows more than most and has done so much for the Vaal owners and trainers - I don't always agree with him but he only has Racing's best interests at heart

Ziets,Pylon, Sea Cottage and Horse Chestnut in the same sentence? No matter what surface IMHO can they be spoken about in the same breath.

oom louis...
1) is trip tease beter op sand as gras?
2) ek het nie tans laptop voor my nie maar watse race het hy gewen en teen watse rating perde? mos n maiden on debut maar wat was ander se rating en hoe ver het hy gewen?
3) wat was die opening en starting price van trip tease?