louisg tell the nha they are clue less

good news .......


great news oom louis.......


i checked out the form rating of strip tease......i can now only imagin why your "insiders" have blown the bank on this one first time out ....backed 14/1 into 22/10 is seriously a moeeeerse klomp geld on a horse......
if you look at the first 14 horses behind him on LBH on formgrids its very easy to work out what his rating should be.... the average MR on that 14 runners behind him was MR73 and that is without including wfa allowance .....strip tease gave them on ave a 33pound beating and ran to a MR106 if all 14 wasnt running below their actual MR.......
in a handicapped condition the average MR is 70 if you include wfa allowance....on that he gave them a 42 pound beating......


oom louis.....what are your plans with this still very underrated MR 88 horse who achieved the connections first goal...to make big betting money first time out......this is on ratings the best horse you have in your stable so whereever you enter on sand any of your top horses be sure that teip tease will win even that

my suggestion.....win another 4 sprint races where he needs to carry topweight before taking on the best on sand because at this moment you can beat them or run close to the top division and then you will get his true MR.......go win a few handicaps firstt and enjoy the ride to the top......please dont take the shortcut to the top and cost this horse a few extea wins on his great future.....

rob faux Wrote:

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> Frodo, our main difference in opinion is around
> the principle of "pure" handicapping!
>
> The problem I have is that, for record purposes,
> wins count and nothing else really
> matters..............how many people can even
> remember the name of the horse that ran 2nd to
> Horse Chestnut, race after race.
> I see an injustice in penalising a horse(or any
> competitor) for what it is capable of achieving
> rather than what it does achieve............but
> that is just a bit emotive I guess!!

Pablo zeta

Excellent thread guys....I've not read it with my all....but brilliant IMO...some misunderstandings...but that is the norm...
Just the posters here are the who's who of ABC....IMO once again....good stuff....marked it down as a must read....(tu)

What odds that the trainers wil lodge a protest and the nha and phum
Will pull the whip and the trainers will go bk under the rock they crawled
Out from

1/10?

"OK, Ziets, no pm, just here in the open on the forum, please select races for me/ show me available races for Trip Tease. He won first time out over 1000m on sand and is rated 88."

1stly Louis we need to know if you rate Trip Tease a 88 / 78 / 98 this will then surely assist in finding races.

His win has him a few lengths superior to Stavinsky but with a 3.5kg pull
Having said that it was the horses debut and he can surely improve a couple of lengths so 88 imo not too harsh

OKAY so if you believe he is higher than 88
29th oct pinacle plate over 1200m with 55.5kgs on his back if he he has another 14 pounds improvement then he races and wins
7th Nov Mr 80 1000m same applies but here he will carry high weight but can still win if spread is less than 14pounds
14th nov 2 options the 1450m and the 1200m
ULTIMATE goal
26th nov 2 time winner entered into conditions race carrying 52kgs after winning 2nd start this confirms your belief he is a 102 and with 52kgs only on his back he wins 3 in a row.


Now if you believe he is rated less than 88
sell sell sell or things gonna get tough.


for me his winning debut tells me he is above average and has plenty in hand so go with the aim of the conitions plate on the 26th

I wonder if the problem is not exasperated by poor quality racehorses.
Another concern is when at the beginning of the season
3 yo are incorrectly rated.So as an example is Mikesacks Earths Orbit.
If they get it wrong at the very beginning the effects are far reaching.
please ignore if my point has no merit

Ziets, Easy, you guys make my point. Also, I must say that I am in Rob Faux's cornerbon MeritvRating vs Race Figure system.

Whichever way you look at it, the bottom line is that this one time winner has jumped a division, because of his easy win first time out. Now, this all seems fair in terms of Merit, but this "fairness" has cost the Owners a win in between. Not many Novice plates programmed.

Now Ziets talks about rushing the horse's career. Easy suggests a Pinnacle Plate with a one time winner and you both now jump off the sand and to 1200m.

And Easy, I cannot sell - wont get much, not when anyone sees his joint which has bumps on it like golf balls, which is why I bought him for R70k at last year's Nat 2yo Sale.

No, Easy, its not easy - we all know that - but where we can, we need to improve the system!

louisg Wrote:

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>
> Lets say that the goal is to allow the better
> horses to win their fair share. (today we have too
> many multiple winners rated under 70 and too few
> horses over 70 which are multiple winners)

But guys we are talking about handicap racing. All those MR XX Handicaps which are there to level the playing fields not to allow the better horses to win their fair share of racing. That is what plate racing, conditions and WFA is all about. The plethora of owners have plodders who would really like to have a winner a year else they would just move away and no good horse will be allowed to win anyway because there won't be any racing, let alone MR racing, just like golf and bowls.

And as for MR's to go down just as fast as they go up, I certainly would not like this. What a way for the connections to manipulate a particular race just so that they can get a lower rating in the next. If you think we have many inconsistent performances now ....

But what does irritate a little is all the constraints that are applied. For me, all these constraints just restore the MR's to the old race figure system.

We need to apply the same rules as our international counterparts.

Ages ago I suggested that we had a minimum that a winner could drop to so that we did not have the situation that a 1 time winning 3yr old for instance is giving a 6/7 time winning 6 yr old weight and he has already earned R300000+. Seen it many times and most times the 6yr old beats the 3yr old.. For instance a 1 time winner cannot drop below 60, a 2 time winner 64 and a 3 time winner 68. The exact figures I did not work out as did not think anything could be changed. It would help your younger horses coming through imho.

Craig Eudey Wrote:

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> Ages ago I suggested that we had a minimum that a
> winner could drop to so that we did not have the
> situation that a 1 time winning 3yr old for
> instance is giving a 6/7 time winning 6 yr old
> weight and he has already earned R300000+. Seen it
> many times and most times the 6yr old beats the
> 3yr old.. For instance a 1 time winner cannot drop
> below 60, a 2 time winner 64 and a 3 time winner
> 68. The exact figures I did not work out as did
> not think anything could be changed. It would help
> your younger horses coming through imho.


craig is no bad idea but again we move back again to the RF system of sorts do we not?

RF system also sort out Louis problem with hes trippi

we are punish for export horses why do we bother to fit in to the system that do not want to assist south africa horse? i see no reason why we no go back to the RF system to me it have more advantage than dis advantage

What about handicaps not by MR but by money earned????

Why doesn't SA do claiming races where the owner gets to handicap his own horse???