louisg tell the nha they are clue less

repeat!

rob faux Wrote:

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> > Rob "America has no official ratings" if you
> know
> > this for a fact then how do they conduct
> > handicaps?
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> > Zietsman how will a poor surface rating help a
> > horse running on a different surface?
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> Barry Irwin explained their system some time ago
> when USA racing first appeared on Tellytrack.
> He also pointed out that handicap races are in the
> minority in the States.
I accepted his word as fact!!!

rob, we will have to agree to disagree - I would suggest that in the many decades that it worked 'perfectly', there was no platform like ABC around to point out and debate the negatives :

Had a look at sporting post and also shocked no comments?
I would guess that people with positions in racing have nothing to say?
So whether you give the "punter a voice" via a forum, which would appear to be the better platform than an established, respected publication as SP
The racing public remain silent :S

So much for no replies to nameless, shameless posters

Funny old game we are in

scotia Wrote:

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> Had a look at sporting post and also shocked no
> comments?
> I would guess that people with positions in racing
> have nothing to say?
> So whether you give the "punter a voice" via a
> forum, which would appear to be the better
> platform than an established, respected
> publication as SP
> The racing public remain silent :S
>
> So much for no replies to nameless, shameless
> posters
>
> Funny old game we are in

Yes Dave,I think that it says volumes actually.

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> > > Rob "America has no official ratings" if you
> > know
> > > this for a fact then how do they conduct
> > > handicaps?
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> > > Zietsman how will a poor surface rating help
> a
> > > horse running on a different surface?
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> > Barry Irwin explained their system some time
> ago
> > when USA racing first appeared on Tellytrack.
> > He also pointed out that handicap races are in
> the
> > minority in the States.
> I accepted his word as fact!!!

ok(tu)

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> Rob "America has no official ratings" if you know
> this for a fact then how do they conduct
> handicaps
>
> Zietsman how will a poor surface rating help a
> horse running on a different

pylon is even better than his sand MR on sand ...he proved it in emerald ...if he won that race just think what his mr would be now? and if he won it how will he be competive in any handicapped on sand again????? and he is in my opinion the best sandhorse we ever seen in this country and his name belongs in the league of sea cottage and horse chestnut although different surface.....
azzie will obviously now only target turf races where he is now about a rating in his 70's and proved beforw he can win a few still on turf although will never rwach the heights of his sand form.....clearly if he never got a rating on turf before becoming a legend on sand he would now be fucked both ways......the best horse in the country cannot win a race.....just imagin.....the sand/turf ratings give average handicappers a very good chance of winning 1 or 2 extra races when reaching his peak handicapped wise on fav surface. just make sure to get a "poor" fixed rating on least fancied surface before been handicapped on fancied surface

hope it make sense....

Sorry Ziets but a few days ago you were asking about goings and times and how to calculate them RE how to compare different surfaces

And now you are trying to tell trainers their jobs ?

Harry

you tell me Negev was badly placed? by citing her runs? the form book does that, Harry.
Further, this "no sand horse" ran 2nd today on sand. 2nd to, arguably, the best sand filly around and in front of another filly, who ran in Emerald Cup. (with your 5 length better jock up).

Negev has been so badly placed that she is a 94 on Turf and about to be rated on sand. At the weights of today's race, she couldnt incur a penalty even if she won by a length or two, Harry, just as she never got any penalty for her last win. She should now be about an 83 on sand. Yes, Harry, badly placed? Maybe badly handicapped, yes, given that her best runs and wins have been in plate races. Oh and her stakes earnings just went over R700k today.

But you are forgiven, as you dont know the programme at all. Or else you would show me the many other races in which she could run right now.Or you would show me none at all....

Harry, you are completely missing the point of the whole argument with NHA. The system is wrong and needs to be fixed. The one point that you do make is that horses are "badly placed" - Harry, just sometimes, dont write us all off as fools. Sometimes, we just have no other races available, on the way to our targetted race. This is frustrating the hell out of us, believe me.

Finally, I cannot see where I have placed Negev badly. Maybe I am stupid, but I do see R19k to the Owners today, instead of standing in the box. And my filly is fit for racing...

You will probably need a whole packet of immodiums re, if you see my next race - it may be an 1160m (open h/cap, f&m) on 2nd Nov at Turff, but probably the 1600m conditions plate f&m at Turff on 12 nov. Then we goto the Ipi Tombe over 1600m on 30th Nov.

Harry, you steadfastly ignore my pm's because you want to protect your identity (shot any tv's lately?) So send someone to my office and let them come and see my ops board with the entire 7 months programme up, each horse planned for. Or shut your mouth and dont compare me to other Trainers.

Lastly, you gonna need even more immodiums when you hear, very soon exactly who and how many Trainers agree with me entirely on the handicapping issue. That article is only a fraction of what's coming!

The 'Pylon problem' is a slightly different one imo - yes surely the best sand horse we have seen since the introduction of sand racing - but what to do with him now? Keep running in a few plated races against a couple of other 'good but not great' performers who only race for that 2nd stake cheque - makes for boring racing, but will pay the bills - and what is the right balance between giving him an opportunity to race while also providing the 'good but not great' an opportunity to win a race :S Luckily (or maybe not) one does not come across to many 'Pylons' - so the 'rules' should not cater mainly for these 'exceptions - but rather be fair towards the countless other 'also rans' - imo

I thought they were sending Pylon overseas...??

hibernia Wrote:

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> Sorry Ziets but a few days ago you were asking
> about goings and times and how to calculate them
> RE how to compare different surfaces
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> And now you are trying to tell trainers their jobs
> ?


ek geen fool nie oom louis en neem oom ook nie aan as iemand wat vokkol weet nie maar kan wel uitwys hoeveel shortterm trainers daar is wat net na sy sak kyk en owners probeer happy hou en geen beplanning van n career vir n perd nie....party het net nie die eiers om die perd se career voor al die nitty kak te sit nie......soos die trainer wat gehoor het die merrie gaan dalk oor 3maande na n ander stal toe....dieselfde teainer wen toe ewe skielik vinnig 3races in n maand se tyd en hardloop die perd in haar moer in in nog 4races in volgende maand....nou is sy omtrent moertoe.....