louisg tell the nha they are clue less

Zietsman Oosthuizen Wrote:

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> maybe snaith can explain that and why she didnt
> run to ability like earth orbit ......they both
> was as certainties as frankel on paper.....and
> should have won by many lengths even if they was
> 90% ready.....
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> if both wasnt 100% why not inform the public???
>
> they also here on abc and can maybe give us a
> explanation of what went wrong with the shortest 2
> runners they had in this month in pe..... did both
> get injured in running ????

We shouldn't have to ask..........if the NHA were even half competent,they would be asking and publishing the answers!

100% rob....but that we know will not happen from nha ......
snaiths well loved on the forum and general public and an explanation from his side will help take away the bitter taste in my mouth and 99% of other punters that have great respect for them as trainers.

no attacks or hidden agenda....just want a honest explanstion what the problems with both were from trainer.
will help adjust ratings or draw line through the race

In my experience the Snaiths are top top class in all shares of the racing game...waaaay ahead of most in communication!!

thats why i ask for them to give us some feedback about the 2horses ...because they do communicate with the public and their owners ...and is top class....

it will help to understand if we know what went wrong with both sooo hot that even scotia think its too short ...

oscar Wrote:

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> In my experience the Snaiths are top top class in
> all shares of the racing game...waaaay ahead of
> most in communication!!


Oscar, some things aren't about NICE!

It is clear from the forum,the tipsters and the presenters they don't trust the horses in PE no matter how well handicapped..........that's not encouraging is it?

Rob I dont trust horses anywhere.

oscar Wrote:

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> Rob I dont trust horses anywhere.


Oscar,that is the sad fact about horseracing - few do so more and more switch to other forms of gambling....................imagine if we could elevate the trust!

Absolutely spot on, perfectly put, Rob - TRUST ! We need to elevate it !.

We all know that big results do happen. However, we need to get out of this bottomless pit which is nothing more than a lotto far too often.

louisg Wrote:

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> Absolutely spot on, perfectly put, Rob - TRUST !
> We need to elevate it !.
>
> We all know that big results do happen. However,
> we need to get out of this bottomless pit which is
> nothing more than a lotto far too often.

louis please read what i say be fore exploding. it is important you under stand what i say. the bottomless pit you describe is exactly what the operator want and this is clarify by vee moodley when he justify the omision of couplings in pick 6 by saying that raceing needs this lotto type of bet to compete...... now i agree with you but clearly the operator and thus the nha who has the reliance on these funds, will do nothing to rectify the situation you describe.

rob faux Wrote:

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> > > The line horse for the handicapper is not
> same
> > > horse in every centre (impossible). Therefore
> > we
> > > have an immediate difference between
> centre's.
> > > This is also the case with all races and
> their
> > > line horses chosen. The differences and
> > variables
> > > are mind boggling, infinite plus !! How
> > difficult
> > > must it be for the handicapper to get it
> right
> > ?
> > > Impossible with all the variables, but IMO
> they
> > > don't do such a bad job, they need help
> though
> > to
> > > be more accurate. Hence my suggestion. The
> more
> > > input to limit the variables the more
> accurate
> > th
> > > ratings. Hope this gives more insight into my
> > > opinion. It would also be great to get guys
> > like
> > > Frodo involved in helping the handicapper, he
> > is
> > > very knowledgeable with respect to the MR
> > system
> > > and racing in general. Every bit of
> info/input
> > > helps to make the system more accurate. Is
> the
> > > handicapper open to it ? (I don't know).
> Would
> > it
> > > work ? (I don't know) Is it fair now ? (No)
> >
> > Ok, maybe the answer is to do away with line
> > horses and handicap the race on it's apparent
> > merit. It can't be right that the severity of a
> > horse's punishment depends on which line horse
> is
> > chosen, as if often the case.
> Please explain "apparent" rating-I think it may be
> what I often do but not sure of your meaning!

I don't pretend to be a handicapper but what I meant was to view the overall strength of the field over this trip before the race, see how close together the majority of the field were at the line, maybe the time in relation to other races on same day etc.

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> > > > The line horse for the handicapper is not
> > same
> > > > horse in every centre (impossible).
> Therefore
> > > we
> > > > have an immediate difference between
> > centre's.
> > > > This is also the case with all races and
> > their
> > > > line horses chosen. The differences and
> > > variables
> > > > are mind boggling, infinite plus !! How
> > > difficult
> > > > must it be for the handicapper to get it
> > right
> > > ?
> > > > Impossible with all the variables, but IMO
> > they
> > > > don't do such a bad job, they need help
> > though
> > > to
> > > > be more accurate. Hence my suggestion. The
> > more
> > > > input to limit the variables the more
> > accurate
> > > th
> > > > ratings. Hope this gives more insight into
> my
> > > > opinion. It would also be great to get guys
> > > like
> > > > Frodo involved in helping the handicapper,
> he
> > > is
> > > > very knowledgeable with respect to the MR
> > > system
> > > > and racing in general. Every bit of
> > info/input
> > > > helps to make the system more accurate. Is
> > the
> > > > handicapper open to it ? (I don't know).
> > Would
> > > it
> > > > work ? (I don't know) Is it fair now ? (No)
> > >
> > > Ok, maybe the answer is to do away with line
> > > horses and handicap the race on it's apparent
> > > merit. It can't be right that the severity of
> a
> > > horse's punishment depends on which line
> horse
> > is
> > > chosen, as if often the case.
> > Please explain "apparent" rating-I think it may
> be
> > what I often do but not sure of your meaning!
>
> I don't pretend to be a handicapper but what I
> meant was to view the overall strength of the
> field over this trip before the race, see how
> close together the majority of the field were at
> the line, maybe the time in relation to other
> races on same day etc.

What I do is try to identify a line (not necessarily 1 horse) it may well be somewhere between 2 horses runs,and because I am not bound by rules, I have races that I believe are not the norm and ignore entirely(the last Potala palace win was one as IMO there was no reliable yardstick in the race)
The problem as I see it is that, I have no one to answer to and no rules so can be subjective when I choose..........but to get a committee to agree on subjective opinions..........see that as a nightmare myself.

Taken from the Gold Circle website

"National Horseracing Authority has responded to the criticisms and complaints about the start-of-the-season six point merit ratings increase by appointing a high-powered committee to look into the matter and make recommendations.
The four-man review board comprises NHA racing control executive David McGillivray, Gold Circle supremo Graeme Hawkins, senior Phumelela racing executive Patrick Davis and noted bloodstock agent Robin Bruss.
Chief executive Denzil Pillay said the National Board decided to appoint the committee “to fully consider all issues pertinent to the matter including the merit and detail of the complaints, the extent of any disadvantage (to certain categories of horses), and to appropriately assess whether any error of research, rationality, process or communication was made.”
Pillay is keen for the review board to receive submissions, either in writing by 8 November or in person at the NHA offices in Turffontein three days later".