cape racing crooked

the comment of mr is the good one fogwils. i am friendly with some old-timers bothe the trainer, the jockey and lots of the punters who have the decades of experience. all of these say the scheming is not for the punting, the scheming is to get the horse right mr so that the bet can be taken. we are cater for MODERATE HORSES today finish and klaar!

I am with Fogwills.........the ability to manipulate MR is the greatest cheating mechanism in the business.
I happened to be at a function with a top trainer ,who has subsequently moved to new shores,when the MR system first came in and his comment was ."If they gonna let me handicap my own horses I will have to take advantage of that"
I am told that new handicap rules,allowing reductions even quicker,are about to be announced so cheating won't take so long anymore.......................lol
The concept that the ability of a horse can go up and down on a monthly basis makes no sense at all!

Ironically the handicap system has made the need for doping obsolete,and "pulling" would only apply if the jock was working against the stable.

The MR system is a whole lot easier to manipulate,particularly when regulators do not police consistency............which our lot don't!

100% Fog and Rob - certain stables have become masters of it

Anyone who says there is No skulduggery in Racing is either stupid, lying, or just plain apathetic to what is going on in the industry.

I am not saying that Racing is rigged in every race, or anything even close to that, but I remember being at Newmarket about 20 years ago and meeting a young Clerk from one of the leading Bookmakers in Bruma, when I asked him why he was there during a meeting, he told me that the Bookie had a massive double running against him and he was there to have a word with the Jockey, who happened to be riding the second part of the double, the horse, which was decent priced Fav, duly ran nowhere.

I had known this young Clerk for years and there would be no need for him to lie to me, he still works for the same Bookie

The problem with these threads, as I see them,are that they tend to start with two schools of thought.............That racing is completely crooked or completely squeaky clean...........neither is the truth!
EVERY industry.from retail to banking will have persons trying to manipulate,cheat or steal to their own advantage.
It follows that racing cannot be described as crooked per se ,but there WILL BE crooked people trying to take advantage.
Our concern has to be that any crookedness in racing has less consequences than in any other industry(the last police involvement was the shooting of Sea Cottage ,I think) and there is endless evidence that the NHA don't regulate their own rules,therefore are ineffective.
What is required is a complete review of the policing mechanism together with conseqences for those that transgress.
The other point is the assumption that it is always a jock or trainer.There are many staff members in stables with more and better motive and opportunity than the "Boss".I believe that trainers who are genuinely confused by some of the runs out of their stable, should be looking a little closer at internal security.

Is placing bets for RSA connections overseas considered crooked? not that i have ever done that ()

ps if i was going to play around with a horse in Cape Town it would be entered at Durbanville around them tight bends..

if you have been racing for a couple of years and you do not know which owners stables and jocks are thieves then its time to get out...the modus operandi they use is the same all the time and can be seen a mile away ...i can tell you that these thugs fall into the minority and that racing today is 200 percent cleaner than what it was when i started all those years ago...

pirates Wrote:

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> if you have been racing for a couple of years and
> you do not know which owners stables and jocks are
> thieves then its time to get out...the modus
> operandi they use is the same all the time and can
> be seen a mile away ...i can tell you that these
> thugs fall into the minority and that racing today
> is 200 percent cleaner than what it was when i
> started all those years ago...

I fully agree......(tu)

'There are many staff members in stables with more and better motive and opportunity than the "Boss".I believe that trainers who are genuinely confused by some of the runs out of their stable, should be looking a little closer at internal security.'

This hits the nail on the head 100%.

I have absolutely no doubt that horses are being nobbled in this country.It stands to reason that the most likely perps are those who earn the least but who also have access to the well-being of the horse.

There are too many examples of short priced favourites who are basically beaten as they leave the pens for this not to be the case.

Olympic Spectrum and Just Knock are recent examples that spring to mind.

...but this sort of thing just carries on as there seem to be no consequences for these seemingly inexplicable runs.These incidents are what the NHRA should be spending their time on,not meaningless crap.

pirates Wrote:

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> if you have been racing for a couple of years and
> you do not know which owners stables and jocks are
> thieves then its time to get out...the modus
> operandi they use is the same all the time and can
> be seen a mile away ...i can tell you that these
> thugs fall into the minority and that racing today
> is 200 percent cleaner than what it was when i
> started all those years ago...

For you to agree on this debate is amazing. Many yrs ago you gave me hell when I brought this subject up.

@ Rob F..I dont bet and my horses don't win

@ Hibs,

Hibs wrote;

ps. If I was going to play around with a horse in Cape Town it would be entered at Durbanville around them tight bends.
Those in the Cape will know wasn't Durbanville called Robbery Park? Who knows why?
I remember Sporting Post in the assessment of each runner writing " has won at Durbanville".