JOCKEYS CONTROL RACING

@ Observer
1). Who prices up the betting,....the Bookies, and on what do they base that pricing, Beside a horses form, they must have some "inside" info on the chance of a horse
Why would you say they MUST have some "inside" information?? You and I and other punters determine if a horse shortens or drifts which depends on the weight of money or lack thereof for the horse..thats a no brainer
2) When a horses form points to it been a good thing, the probability of most punters putting money on a good thing is strong. Should this horse win, the bookies, will win in most cases, after covering themselves, not lose, but rather, not take as much would like to, rather take as much as they can from the punters
This point I cant understand Bookies lay favorites for 1 simple reason ..if they lay a punter 2/1 and it shortens on them they simply dont take back at say 15/10 unless they want to go clean out once it does shorten on them they stand it and if it wins they will take a loss
3) Replacement jock M. Mienie, 1
1st ride) 11/2, finished, 5th, 12 LBH,
2nd ride) 8/1, finished 6LBH, (the gap behind narrowed)
3rd ride) then betting coup, wins by 4L at 6/1, backed from 7/1

7/1 into 6/1 a betting coup??? That does not even represent a claim .....are you taking the piss???.:S:S

@ TERO
Heres a task for you and your band of not so merry geriatrics ...Point out 1 race where you believe that there was some sort of "graft" instead of just thumb sucking the bullshit bertie fables and lets see if your theories have even a semblance of truth...

@Titch
Jet into the Wind the last time it ran ...heavily backed favourite 4/1 to 18/10, than it eased back to 2/1 before the start of the race...Bass website made it there best horse for the day...loves the yielding conditions, won a race on yielding going...beautifully drawn...penultimate race ran the same distance as Cool Conqueror( formgrids) LHB....turnaround in weight with Cool Conquer if I'm not mistaken 8,5kg's better off for a 2 length beating....Jet into the Wind went down to the start impeccably...from the start of the race Jet into the Wind was at the back of the field and finished in 12th position...all the old men at the tote and I went out of the Place Accumulator.

What is the reason Jet into the Wind didn't finish in the 1st 3 positions.

Tero , i am not familiar with that race so i can't comment on it .

Did you know that you can report cases where it is blatantly evident of wrong doings in racing to a racing crime line . i did it once .But i made sure of my accusation by scrutinizing the ride the horse was given. The jock was called in for an inquiry . He received a suspension
I stress again you need to be sure of the accusation.

I do not have the number any longer . But i got it off a poster of on of the totes at the time .

Yo could get it from Phum customer care .

Thanks Solotrama...the date that Jet into the Wind ran was the 31/8/2011

The jock will give the trainer 101 excuses why the horse did not perform to it's true potential.

The Jockey eased Jet Into The Wind down because he thought he felt something go on the horse,he informed the Vets and Stewards as soon as he returned to the ring. Race Replay

Plus it was a 1200m race and the horse usually races over further. Also for what it's worth - and this may have not been the case here - the Jet Masters are notorious for suffering respiratory problems, just like their dad. I can confirm this from personal experience having owned a Jet Master that sometimes (but not always) suffered breathing problems in races and retired without winning a race after having run 2nd on debut.

Whatever the case, for pity's sakes let's also bear in mind that horses are only flesh and blood, and are as vulnerable as you and I to suffering from physical ailments,.

@Tero
Asked and answered...
just BTW the actually betting was:- Opened 7/2 shortened into 2/1 and started 22/10..I realize not quite as sensational as your betting but then again you are just one sensational guy..

This thread is almost silly in some ways but highlights my concern about the industry.
The discussions here would be very different if the NHA were playing the role they should.Example after example can be discussed with argument and counter argument but if there was an official recording of inconsistent runs with adequate feedback from the regulators these,and other,examples,whether real or perceived,would not be viewed with the same level of suspicion.
The problem is that the rule,as it reads at present,is useless as it has no defined parameters of what "inconsistent" is, so is subjective in the extreme.
Simply put "If you can't measure it,you can't regulate it"
However,to suggest that all the ills or skullduggery in racing are controlled by jockeys, is just nonsensical

hibernia Wrote:

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> The Jockey eased Jet Into The Wind down because
> he thought he felt something go on the horse,he
> informed the Vets and Stewards as soon as he
> returned to the ring.

@hibs
I don't believe the jockeys comments...in the stipes report the vet said that they found nothing abnormal with Jet into the Wind
Some people are naïve /gullible to believe any excuse a jockey gives them, anyway majority of the punters don't buy these lame excuses...racing is in the damps

@Titch
Jet into the Wind went out to 9/2 before being backed in

@ Tero
Maybe we should get you and your Doom Platoon to give the stipes a few lessons into how the job should be done...but answer me this how many races do you believe are run on merits??

Titch
- the jockey you are representing is he sponsored by a bookie?

It is evident punters & owners are leaving horse racing....some people that make a living from this sport believe there has never been a crooked jock...living in fools paradise....if I was a bookie, agent, mafia,racing scribe, crooked jock etc....I will adamantly deny that racing has dishonest jockeys because it is my source of income.

What is blatantly obvious is this sport has no significant increase in punters...we need a huge paradigm shift among current punters to acknowledge that this sport is corrupt.