JOCKEYS CONTROL RACING

Mavourneen Wrote:

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> magiclips Wrote:
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Most of us here have never
> > ridden in a race and to suggest that we are the
> > ultimate experts on something which we haven't
> > attempted ourselves is downright daft.

I am of the opinion that people don't have to ride a horse to see if a jockey is pulling up a horse or not riding a horse out.
The ultimate experts are the stewards/ stipes who are able to detect if a jockey causes infringements or pulls up a horse. Most of these stipes have never ridden in a race. Are our stewards downright daft?

At least the stipes are trained to watch races properly before they pass judgement. This is not to say that every horse in every race is trying for its life. This we all know is not the case. However, just because we think somebody's ridden a crooked race doesn't mean we can prove it, and therein lies the difficulty. Especially when you're also dealing with flesh-and-blood horses with a mind of their own.

Mavourneen Wrote:

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> If you really believe racing is mostly crooked,
> why are you still in it? Cummon some of you, tell
> us ... why?

Some of the guys at the tote, uncle Wally and Piet are both over the age of 70 years. They love horse racing as much as most people do on this site. Racing is their hobby and they at the tote every day.
I am relatively new to racing and I also enjoy it.
Therefore I am highlighting that there are jockeys who are crooks. What I find strange is that most people accepts what these dishonest jockeys are doing and consider it as part of racing.
Therefore young intelligent people are saying you must be stupid to back horses because the game is crooked.

Racing is in a terrible state, thanks to people that love to sweep things under the carpet.

@Titch
The old men at the tote suggested you should visit a good gynaecologist to check out both your heads...you are still in denial w.r.t. dishonest jocks and you fall under the category of the uninformed.

Mr A had a team @ Bruma in the mid 90's that were having REALLY big money on horses without the help from any jocks or trainers (they used an early version of what is now the formgrids format) standing steadfastly to the policy of "form dont lie" they would never listen to any "inside" or "privileged" information and took out millions of Rands in the space of 2 years or so, a fact that any bookmaker who had a cubicle in Bruma at the time will attest to,it stands to reason that had the game been as crooked as it is deemed to be then 1 phone call could have stopped them dead in their tracks..in fact I was party to one of their "coups" on a horse called Golden Hoard in a 2 yo handicap at Clairwood, the horse opened 9/2 and if my memory serves me correctly 200k was wagered on the horse (the bulk of the bet was laid to them by Raymond Solomon) and it won hard held....why this horse stuck in my mind is because it was owned by 2 bookmakers at the time Les Khoury and Henry Mansell and the thought of the horse being "got at" definitely crossed my mind but that was dispelled when the horse had the race wrapped up a long way out winning easing up....horse racing results maybe unpredictable to an extent but all the so called skulduggery that is meant to go on behind the scenes is grossly exaggerated and that is a FACT! The "form don't lie" theory was also vindicated by Golden Hoard who retired some 14 years ago with a record that made great reading:- Runs:31 Wins:7 (22%) Places:15 (48%) Earnings R 2,042,120

Tero Wrote:

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> @Titch
> The old men at the tote suggested you should visit
> a good gynaecologist to check out both your
> heads...you are still in denial w.r.t. dishonest
> jocks and you fall under the category of the
> uninformed.

let Oom Wally and Piet know from me that it is in fact them that are in denial and need their heads read if at the age of 70+ they remain involved in a game that they believe to be so crooked...maybe you could Google them a doctor thats on their bus route??

After studying form and finding a so called betting prospect , my greatest concern is " am i on a trier "?

This does not only involve the jockey but the trainer as well. The horse could have been fed hay for two weeks leading up to the race instead of getting its Mdk or Epol feed . It could have been made to drink a bucket of water before the race .

What about other factors , weather and pace amongst other things .
Basically everytime i have a bet i take it on "TRUST" that my horse is a trier .

The other day i had a big bet on MEXICAN GLORY (ARG). The horse had performed really well on the sand and had just got beat over 1200m two starts back .
Why i backed it :
1) It was returning to the sand
2) Its last start on the sand over 1200m was a scorcher .She went down a nose in the same time that Strike master put up on the same day .
3) The 3rd horse 3.25l behind ran 2nd next time out .
4) The 4th horse Keen smartly has won 2 and 1/2 times since .
5) according to a forumite here it ran to a rating of at least 90

@ 6/1 it was a damn good bet . well so it seemed .

RESULT ......the horse never raised a gallop never got a blow in . It finished stone last ? You work it out !

Solotrama Wrote:

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> After studying form and finding a so called
> betting prospect , my greatest concern is " am i
> on a trier "?
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> This does not only involve the jockey but the
> trainer as well. The horse could have been fed hay
> for two weeks leading up to the race instead of
> getting its Mdk or Epol feed . It could have been
> made to drink a bucket of water before the race .
>
> What about other factors , weather and pace
> amongst other things .
> Basically everytime i have a bet i take it on
> "TRUST" that my horse is a trier .
>
> The other day i had a big bet on MEXICAN GLORY
> (ARG). The horse had performed really well on the
> sand and had just got beat over 1200m two starts
> back .
> Why i backed it :
> 1) It was returning to the sand
> 2) Its last start on the sand over 1200m was a
> scorcher .She went down a nose in the same time
> that Strike master put up on the same day .
> 3) The 3rd horse 3.25l behind ran 2nd next time
> out .
> 4) The 4th horse Keen smartly has won 2 and 1/2
> times since .
> 5) according to a forumite here it ran to a rating
> of at least 90
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> @ 6/1 it was a damn good bet . well so it seemed
> .
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> RESULT ......the horse never raised a gallop never
> got a blow in . It finished stone last ? You work
> it out !


SOLO>...something was amiss with MG.... even the owner & trainer were befuzzled by the run..... just could be one of those off days... keep following!!

Yup,Solo,that race burns my bum a bit too.I do not have any reason to believe that Mexican Glory's run was anything but "thats racing"
The owner travelled to the Vaal,hoping to lead it in.
The horse was in the race and suddenly not and I was waiting for the stipes report to ascertain,for future reference, what had occured and what was reported.
I see the stipes have reported NOTHING and therefore did not watch the same race as me.I am not suggesting anything underhand but I cannot believe that there was nothing to report.
Our problem is REGULATION......................our REGULATORS need to ask the questions that punters(not the hysterical ones) can't ask for themselves!
Surely that is what they there for.
The problem is that a run has to have a more than a 20 length variance before they regard it as" in and out "form.
The NHA,at board level,needs to be better qualified at racing,in its technical form.

@SOLO
MEXICAN GLORY opened 3/1 that day and drifted out to 9/2 and even 6/1 was available which is usually indicative of all not being well with the horse a point that was emphasize again in her next start when she ran last over 17 lengths behind the winner,In the race where she ran 2nd she did beat SMALL MIRACLE (MR 87) by 3L at levels but was beaten a shrt/hd by Goddess Athena (MR 83) also at levels which does not equate to running to a MR90 also apart from KEEN SMARTLY who has won 3 since (1 in Kim) the form line behind Goddess Athena has not worked out at all...I do however have the benefit of hindsight which makes it a LOT easier but I dont believe that anything untoward was done in her run after the GA race as her run last Thursday will attest to, she clearly has a problem that Im sure Paul M will sort out.

Titch,you were doing well on this thread until you suggested she did not have the form to win that race......perhaps you should be a stipe!
I will also bet ,that unless she has got some permanent injury,she will shortly confirm a rating ,on sand,of very close to 90!

Horses are flesh and blood not machines, things do go wrong.

If a jock really wanted to stop a potential winner from winning he would IMO do it at the start not the finish.I find it so funny that so many people want to pull down this sport. I am 100% sure that most of you who think a jock is crooked would change your minds sharply if you backed a horse he was riding and it shat in.

Common guys focus on the positive it is the only way to pull our sport out of the doldrums. I challange you all to read the book The Power Of The Subconcious Mind then you will know why things always go right for some people and other people always have things going wrong.

Enjoy your racing this week may you all make bundels of cash !