JOCKEYS CONTROL RACING

pirates Wrote:

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> titch do you believe in the tooth fairy as well?


Of course DUHHHHHHH!! I suppose you gonna say that the fairy is a myth??

Some times punters make the mistake of backing Jocks instead of horses. We sometimes get Striker to ride a horse that we are battling with just to get some proffessional feedback. Just because he is riding the horse, with no form and no obvious ability it starts favorite or shortens dramatically. Then when the horse runs its normal meadiocer race the punters get mad.

I sincerely hope the jocks that ride our horses try to win everytime as we do. We do not punt so will try everything to win whenever we can.

SA jocks are great sportsmen and IMHO true professionals don't take anything away from them.

Become far easier to take a double Barcelona @1/5 and MU @5/10 thank you !

As for this business of not persevering with a horse when an experienced jockey feels something is amiss ... but nothing is found by the vet later: I'd think that the rider on its back may be quite right in feeling the horse is uncomfortable or isn't running smooth, but this may not show once the rider is off and the horse has no weight on it ... could be a back problem ... and also may not be visible to someone standing on the ground. Or it may be something that shows up in the pressure cooker of the actual race going at full speed, but not trotting round in front of the vet.

And I bet sometimes the problem surfaces anyway the next morning when the horse has been standing in its box overnight getting stiff ... but we don't hear about it on the course, just that the horse doesn't race again for a while.

(How often haven't we all had the embarrassment of feeling something isn't right with our car, which we know well, and when we take it to the garage the mechanic can't find anything wrong ... and looks at us like we were a dof old fusspot ... but still we know the car isn't going like it should?)

There's several possible explanations why the rider might ease up on the horse and the vet can find nothing wrong later, other than he was trying to lose the race. I'm sure many trainers and owners were grateful to the jockey later for not making a problem worse by driving a horse hard when "something wasn't right".

here is my take on why the younger generation are not getting involved in horseracing.Way back in the day racing was very different than it is today,lots of horses were getting pulled up in racing,it was very blatant and nothing was done about it and everyone knew about it,punters,stipes,owners and people in power.To be a little sarcastic if you had to walk the course after a meeting you could find the back teeth of horses lying on the grass.You kind of had to be in the know to make money punting,you also had to be on course,because lots of so called schemes were really only finalised after the horses went down to the start.Times were tough for jockeys back then ,if i trainer asked you to pull a horse up and you refused you would most certainly be fired and not to be trusted.Let me give an example,in those days the betting would be announced while all the connections were in the parade ring and if the horse you were riding wasshorter than expected you would be instructed to pull that horse.This is why some jocks used to jump off the horse if they could not do the job.Thank god those days are long gone.Racing is not clean,it will never be but its come a long way.

It is the older generation who must shoulder some of the blame for discouraging the younger because they are the ones telling them racing is rife with corruption.Go and read on any racing forum and you will find only negative comments about the racing industry.Who wants to go racing,bus is empty.

Titch Wrote:

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Nagboy is quite correct Sean did in
> fact do his 3 month suspension which was the first
> time in his lengthy career that such a penalty has
> ever been imposed on him and since his return to
> the saddle has had no problems what so ever...I
> did Sean's rides for a short time a few years back
> and know without any doubt that he is a clean
> rider who rides to win add to this the fact that
> the horse he was punished for was a huge outsider
> and not expected to win.

Sean Cormack perhaps committed the same offence in South Africa and got away ( lengthy career ) with it due to incompetent stipes. Well done to the Singapore Turf Club detecting the offence.

'horse he was punished for was a huge outsider
and not expected to win.'
It is immaterial if the horse was an outsider....some punters would of waged on this horse...Cormack is a dishonest jock

Jocks cannot control the game...some will try a trick or 2..... but this is HORSE racing and not MAN on top to try and STOP it.... if all horses were created equal....then jockyship would play a far bigger role....as there a certain horses for courses there are also jocks for horses.....certain charges do not like vigorous handling and heavy handed jocks and these types of horses tend to fold when pressed....punters will only get a better result if a better jockey is on a better horse....as for Cormack he is a softer type and as a forumite from another site coined the phrase "pap arms".....yes he does not get too animated or vigorous in the saddle but that is his style.....backing him on a horse that needs a more vigorous ride is detrimental.....then again have Anton Marcus on a soft horse is also a recipe for a no show.

This is not a game of certainty many factors are involved besides the jock alone....look at that top jock that cocked a ride on the Queens's horse in this years Derby
he is one of the best in the world but his style was not the best for the Queen's machine....:S

It is interesting,and an indictment of our NHA that,all the serious penalties SA jockeys have received,have been outside of SA and therefore outside of their regulation.
Could it be that our lot don't even know what to look for?

rob faux Wrote:

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> It is interesting,and an indictment of our NHA
> that,all the serious penalties SA jockeys have
> received,have been outside of SA and therefore
> outside of their regulation.
> Could it be that our lot don't even know what to
> look for?

A good start is for trainers to report to NHA that jockey did not ride to instructions. When this happens it is self rectified....trainer simply does not engage jockey for future rides. I bet the agent gets an earfull though.

does the owner price up the horses? NO! does the trainer price up the horses? NO! does the jockeys price up the horses? NO! does the horse himself/herself price up horses? NO!.... bookmakers price up horses & the punters then make their decision as to who they gonna back.. as carlosthejackal says its the bookmakers who make this industry look crooked. i mean come on how do you expect a jockey to win on every mount he is on. added to that these are horses not robots, they have good days & bad days, some enjoy running at certain courses etc. is it wrong if a trainer knows his runner has an excellent chance of winning then he must engage a top jockey to ride it at short odds? i dont think so... if i owned horses & i knew my runner was in with a HUGE winning chance id rather have a jockey up that i know can still win the race for me at bigger odds.......the punters have to use their intellect to try & fathom this out... its called gambling after all isnt it!

Yes not all jockeys are as honest as the day is long... some have been warned off for life once caught out(and trainers to)!... but for the majority of jockeys this is their passion & livelihood!

Muhtiman.....wrong!.I had a couple of horses in Cape Town and I got tired of the backmarkers following the leaders to the inside rail and then attempting to weave thru every run and I eventually asked if our Jock could be given instructions.I was advised that the stable Jock doesn't get instructions.....fair enough......... so I asked if it would be unreasonable to issue one basic, obvious,instruction please "shortest way around the turn and clearest way down the straight" The answer: no longer race horses in Cape Town!

@ Tero
You fall squarely in the "Uniformed" bracket and your naive reasoning is proof of that but don't worry you are not alone in fact there are far too many like you who will not look at the facts but insist on making ridiculous accusations in the hope of making your nonsensical point,the race in question was run on the other side of the world you never even saw the race and yet you blindly make a statement that Sean was guilty and then say that someone would have backed the horse no matter what the price was blah blah blah and purposely avoid my point which was what would any jock have to gain by deliberately pulling up a 25/1 shot??? My question to you is if you REALLY believe the game is so crooked and fixed and bent WTF are you still playing for?? If you have a legitimate gripe and voice it with an open mind you will achieve far more than making a statement with no intention of being swayed or reasoning..shooting from the hip is all good when one has a grievance but shooting from the pocket will never solve anything.....ever considered the soccer 6???