JOCKEYS CONTROL RACING

Tero Wrote:

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> @Titch
> You are an agent for jocks....promoting the
> interest of jocks is part of your livelihood....I
> do understand...but it's time to remove those
> blinkers!
>
> Some pro jock people can be indoctrinated into
> believing everything is perfect in racing...yet we
> have fewer punters joining the racing
> fraternity....racing is going downhill...yet
> nobody wants to address the core problem and
> perceptions of punters.
>
> Dishonest jocks can get away with their crooked
> ways because the stipes are not performing their
> duties effectively.

Tero you are so far off the mark and slinging off at jockeys, projocks, and agents simply reinforces that you do not much about the game and hence your pain. I do not personally know Titch BUT he is doing a fine job with Muzi. If you think that a man who has been in racing for more than 30 years can be indoctrinated by the little guys you are even more misinformed.Sure racing needs the punters but it needs the shrewd well informed punters that win and then turn money. Not that clueless oke that walks into a betting facility at bombs every shortie on the top of the boards. Racing is not perfect but if you take off the blinkers and have a good look at the whole picture you will learn the trends..... as keen observation is the key to oppertunism.

Tero Wrote:

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> @Titch
> You are an agent for jocks....promoting the
> interest of jocks is part of your livelihood....I
> do understand...but it's time to remove those
> blinkers!
>
If I work hard to get my Jock a ride and then watch him pull it up do you think for one minute that I will condone it??? At least we agree on 1 thing it is time to take the blinkers off,you really need to try it..I have been actively involved in the Industry for 40 years and although I may be a slow learner I am quite confident that I would have seen through the red mist by now ...if in fact there was any...

@Titchguilty and then say that someone would have backed the horse no matter what the price was blah blah blah and purposely avoid my point which was what would any jock have to gain by deliberately pulling up a 25/1 shot???
Tich you know as well as I do that sometimes keeping 25-1 dogs away from the Favourite (backed horse etc) happens -

We also seem to be forgetting that there are also such things as laws and rights, outside of racing. Just because some more - shall we say - totalitarian nations allow regulatory bodies to rob a man of his livelihood just because he is suspected to have done something wrong doesn't mean it will fly in SA. The stipes could in part crack down harder on alleged wrong-doers in the old SA because everyone generally, even whites, was living in a society where if someone in authority said "Jump" the answer always had to be "how high?"

Some of you guys may think that banning someone for life because you think he might have cheated is the way to go, but actually look at the broader picture and be thankful that you don't live in a country where that sort of thing is easily condoned. It is more than just a racing issue, it goes to fundamental rights to which we are all at least theoretically entitled in this shiny "new" country of ours. You can't have it both ways. If you advocate Gestapo-type rules for alleged cheats in racing, you too need to be willing to live in a Gestapo-ruled country.

Jockeys have an influence on the results regarding their talent and in race decision making ability, but we all already know wich ones are the good jocks and the bad jocks before the race when we decide what horse to back. So I dont even see a reason to discuss it, what needs to be discussed is how can a horse that runs his whole career +-10 lenghts behind a certain formline suddenly beat the formline when all the other horses runs to form. Do trainers deliberately run their horses unfit (just fit enough to finish the race) for a year or two and then start to train them to win???

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> @Titchguilty and then say that someone would have
> backed the horse no matter what the price was blah
> blah blah and purposely avoid my point which was
> what would any jock have to gain by deliberately
> pulling up a 25/1 shot???
> Tich you know as well as I do that sometimes
> keeping 25-1 dogs away from the Favourite (backed
> horse etc) happens -

Agreed 100% but in the race that is in question Sean was charged with not riding the horse out to obtain a better placing not winning the race..stopping a horse could/should surely be early in the race so as to have a full go the last furlong without troubling the winner..

potomac Wrote:

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> Jockeys have an influence on the results regarding
> their talent and in race decision making ability,
> but we all already know wich ones are the good
> jocks and the bad jocks before the race when we
> decide what horse to back. So I dont even see a
> reason to discuss it, what needs to be discussed
> is how can a horse that runs his whole career +-10
> lenghts behind a certain formline suddenly beat
> the formline when all the other horses runs to
> form. Do trainers deliberately run their horses
> unfit (just fit enough to finish the race) for a
> year or two and then start to train them to win???

you are on to something and it has been said that not all horses are equal and many of those poor no hopers do not need to be starved or given an easy to produce less than inspiring form. Some are cyclical and only seem to florish at certain times of the year. When working with these types one would get an indication as the work begins to improve the coat seems better and the eye and pricked ears indicate a rare keeness.Just a matter of selecting the right race, right jock and the wrong bookie!!!!!

Potomac,not a year or two.....because of "Why" "how" .....but a month or two????

@Muhtiman
I did not profess to know everything about racing.
I know if a jock cheats, he steals from thousands of punters.

@ Titch
I did have a bet on the soccer yesterday...punted on Vard Haugesund in the Swedish league they won...they have a good record at home played 10 matches only lost 1 match.

rob faux Wrote:

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> Potomac,not a year or two.....because of "Why"
> "how" .....but a month or two????


Yes Rob short periods also but the horses that have NO previous form or ability at all, already fully grown a few races back, no changes like blinkers,track or being gelded, and then suddenly its looks like the trainer gave him a REDBULL...

There was a time way back in the late seventies when a clique of jockeys worked together as a team.This was in the old transvaal.One of them would be riding a very fancied horse that the money was on the other 4 or so job was to box in any other runner that they thought could be a danger and by the time that horse got a run the race was home and hosed.This i heard from the tooth fairy

I was told many years ago by a top Jock in Natal that ,although "oners" are rare they are almost always front runners,that don't get caught.
There is a story,that a green appy in those days was riding a pacemaker at Clairwood and the coupling was favourite.Small field and the senior jocks with nudges and winks made it obvious that something was up..
The appy rode for his life and won the race and when he later commented to one of the other appys that "that will teach them not to tell me whats going down" he was advised that he rode the one they backed!