JOCKEYS CONTROL RACING

When a jockey has to pull up a horse these days its a very complicated procedure,but it can be done but it cannot be hidden because of all the camera work.It is very easy to see wether a horse is given an easy.This is not rocket science,there are only a few ways it can be mastered.First of all you need to be at the back of the field it is imperative that you give start,you then have to make sure that you start your run a little later than normal and run your self into a pocket making sure that you have to check and check badly also dropping your stick helps.There is no other way that it can be done.When you see this on your tv screens you can be sure that the jockey was pulling the horse up,but you do not see much of that anymore because jockeys do not have to do this anymore the job has been done for them already because its far easier to stop them in the stable.As some unscrupulous trainers dope there horses to win they do the same thing to make them lose.That said the jockey still gets the blame from all and sundry

titch pal stop talking cuck,u know full well that plenty scheming takes place in our horseracing so stop trying to make out that it is clean...rob our current stipes wouldnt know what to do if they caught a jockey not giving a horse every chance of obtaining the best possible placing..

after watching the clip on youtube... camera mounted on jockeys helmet..... it gave me a whole new perspective about jockeys & racing..... its not an easy profession being a jockey, yes they human so sometimes they will make mistakes as we all do.....in the same breath if jockeys DO NOT listen to instructions then he/she must answer to the trainer/owner/s & shoulder the responsibility of his actions/decision..... but to label him crooked is going abit to far i think.

wonbyamile Wrote:

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> after watching the clip on youtube... camera
> mounted on jockeys helmet..... it gave me a whole
> new perspective about jockeys & racing..... its
> not an easy profession being a jockey, yes they
> human so sometimes they will make mistakes as we
> all do.....in the same breath if jockeys DO NOT
> listen to instructions then he/she must answer to
> the trainer/owner/s & shoulder the responsibility
> of his actions/decision..... but to label him
> crooked is going abit to far i think.
Spot on buddy

THere is a lot of misguided logic within this thread.Always test what you think you see with the question "why" and "how"
Very few Jock manipulations will be winning rides......too many people have to be involved to arrange a winner("oners" are a very rare occurence for that reason ) However a losing ride requires no other involvement at all!........................ make sense?
Why would a Jock pull up a 25/1 shot?......cos the horse is ready to reproduce best form so a reduction in MR would be very handy ....make sure the run creates a discount from the handicapper!......Make sense?
The greatest incentive to manipulation in horseracing is the MR system and the fact that MR are reduced by bad runs,so 3 bad runs whilst been fed Hay,3Kg reduction in weight, change to performance enhancing""EPOL" and voilla, no need for drugs and you have a legal COUP.
It doesn't take a genius to set one up these days!
It is why it needs to be countered by strong regulation that monitors and tracks the pattern of rated runs and applies penalties to ensure a "coup" has it's drawbacks,but it is the one rule that the NHA ,by its own admission,fails to enforce!

wonbyamile Wrote:

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> does the owner price up the horses? NO! does the
> trainer price up the horses? NO! does the jockeys
> price up the horses? NO! does the horse
> himself/herself price up horses? NO!....
> bookmakers price up horses & the punters then make
> their decision as to who they gonna back.. as
> carlosthejackal says its the bookmakers who make
> this industry look crooked. i mean come on how do
> you expect a jockey to win on every mount he is
> on. added to that these are horses not robots,
> they have good days & bad days, some enjoy running
> at certain courses etc. is it wrong if a trainer
> knows his runner has an excellent chance of
winning then he must engage a top jockey to ride
> it at short odds? i dont think so... if i owned
> horses & i knew my runner was in with a HUGE
> winning chance id rather have a jockey up that i
> know can still win the race for me at bigger
> odds.......the punters have to use their intellect
> to try & fathom this out... its called gambling
> after all isnt it!
>
> Yes not all jockeys are as honest as the day is
> long... some have been warned off for life once
> caught out(and trainers to)!... but for the
> majority of jockeys this is their passion &
> livelihood!

WBAM -Well said.....

@Rob, also not the jock's fault if trainer cannot give even the basic of instructions,....that "you know what to do"....just don't cut it in my book.....again not all horses are the same and instructions like that and "ride it like you find it" means the trainer is not trying or does not know his horse. If trainers want to retain owners the onus is on them to select the more suitable jock for the ride and issue the basic instructions.....you would have had better results if these were the instructions.... draw is not the best.... and there will be pace in the race, so do not use the horse up.....drop out and find the rail.....expect the front runners to duck in on the inside after the cut away.....keep your course and run them down....switch to the outside only if nessisary....if a jock cannot comprehend then don't use him....

Spot on Muhtiman.....but to stop using him I had to stop racing in that centre.....They taught me a lesson...........lol

@Titch
You are an agent for jocks....promoting the interest of jocks is part of your livelihood....I do understand...but it's time to remove those blinkers!

Some pro jock people can be indoctrinated into believing everything is perfect in racing...yet we have fewer punters joining the racing fraternity....racing is going downhill...yet nobody wants to address the core problem and perceptions of punters.

Dishonest jocks can get away with their crooked ways because the stipes are not performing their duties effectively.

I find this thread very interesting. As for the stipes, a ex SA stipe once said to me when I questioned him on a jockeys ride in a race he said seeing it is the easy part, proving it is the hard part as there are so many excuses they can use. Not easy for the stipes.

pirates Wrote:

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> titch pal stop talking cuck,u know full well that
> plenty scheming takes place in our horseracing so
> stop trying to make out that it is clean...rob our
> current stipes wouldnt know what to do if they
> caught a jockey not giving a horse every chance of
> obtaining the best possible placing..


Hilt not even you can believe that!!

Craig ,interesting that regulatory bodies in Malaysia now do not differentiate between bad rides that are negligent or dishonest.That has sorted that problem.....nothing to prove! Same penalty for both has upped the level of integrity and competence.....an all round win!
A bit like been caught speeding....no one cares if it was deliberate or were just careless......Kak and Betaal.

Even the best Jock in the world can't get an unfit horse to win - rather worry about trainers - top trainers like De Kock, Bass, Ferraris etc can get bad horses really fit and average Jocks can win on them - I still maintain that riding instructions(sealed) should be put into a box after the horses leave the parade ring - If the owner, stipes or trainer feel the jock did not ride to instruction then the proof is there. Also many Jocks look bad because of the 'giving it a run' theivery that is allowed by or system - Race to win - don't use races to do the work you should do at home